[Sydneydude]

Guys for those of you still running in your bikes have you had a chance to pop it in Race Mode and see what the difference is between Race and Sport Mode (Apart from the ETC/ABS/DTC settings)

What is the ride like in terms of throttle response/fuelling/acceleration?

cheers

Armando

 

[92GTA]

After my 1st service, I was actually contemplating keeping my bike in race mode full time instead of sport mode. I was gonna set the race mode ABS/TC/EBC to the same settings as sport for day to day safety from the cagers in traffic but still benefit from the better throttle response, fuel, and timing maps. I think I'm gonna go 1 setting less on the EBC too, the default in sport mode is a bit much for me when going from engine braking back into the throttle sometimes. I realize it's the same as my 848 always was without EBC but I thought that was a tiny bit much too.

 

[Evolution]

After my 1st service, I was actually contemplating keeping my bike in race mode full time instead of sport mode. I was gonna set the race mode ABS/TC/EBC to the same settings as sport for day to day safety from the cagers in traffic but still benefit from the better throttle response, fuel, and timing maps. I think I'm gonna go 1 setting less on the EBC too, the default in sport mode is a bit much for me when going from engine braking back into the throttle sometimes. I realize it's the same as my 848 always was without EBC but I thought that was a tiny bit much too.

You are aware that you can go into the settings and just set sport mode to have the high throttle response, right? That way you can still jump between abs/dtc settings. Just a suggestion.

 

[Oni]

Since day 1 when i rode off from the shop i was in race mode. I prefer as little aids as possible when i ride. If it's raining i'll switch it into wet.

As far as sport and race difference. It's the TC that kills your speed out of corners. I find it limiting the rear from sliding way to much. I like my bike to feel lively. Just like my R1 which has no ABS or TC and i run it in race mode (A mode) everyday. Just love having the wheel slide and spin up out of corners.

In terms of fuel. I haven't noticed a difference with my riding style between sport and race. Wet saves fuel though but makes me feel like im on a 125.

 

[ILåÐÆMì纳]

^Agreed, but in Southern California traffic I'll take all the electronic rider aids I can get. However, I am with you. When I was test riding it sport mode and the aids were really high it was disappointing. I turned everything down and put it in race mode and it lived up to my expectations. I think the levels of electronic intervention make it more practical for a multi-use vehicle.

 

[devill66]

Since day 1 when i rode off from the shop i was in race mode. I prefer as little aids as possible when i ride. If it's raining i'll switch it into wet.

As far as sport and race difference. It's the TC that kills your speed out of corners. I find it limiting the rear from sliding way to much. I like my bike to feel lively. Just like my R1 which has no ABS or TC and i run it in race mode (A mode) everyday. Just love having the wheel slide and spin up out of corners.

In terms of fuel. I haven't noticed a difference with my riding style between sport and race. Wet saves fuel though but makes me feel like im on a 125.

That might result in highsiders for non expierenced riders so this needs skills . Guess not everyone on the forum has those skills so be carefull

 

[S.I.U.]

That might result in highsiders for non expierenced riders so this needs skills . Guess not everyone on the forum has those skills so be carefull

Yep don't want to see pictures of mass amounts of dropped 899's, it will be like a bad nightmare

 

[Oni]

That might result in highsiders for non expierenced riders so this needs skills . Guess not everyone on the forum has those skills so be carefull

Don't get me wrong. You can easily ride in Race mode 24/7 as you won't be sliding that wheel unless you know how to do it (or hit oil lol). You'd have to modify the Race modes individual settings to get it more raw

But at the end of the day use the mode that your most comfortable with and for the conditions your riding in.

 

[Darwin604]

Kinda resurrecting an old topic here but what is the difference between race and sport in terms of power output? Is it just throttle response or is there different mapping / timing / etc that I don't really know about in use? The manual is a bit vague.

I'm still breaking mine in so I'm keeping the revs down but when I'm able to really open the thing up I don't want any insane surprises. I test rode it in race mode with all the aids at 1 (seemed about right) and thoroughly enjoyed it - no slipper clutch on this thing though so I'm still a bit worried about heavy downshifts. Would turning the engine braking totally off help with that? I don't feel I really need it on the street.

 

[Hot Air]

I perceived a slightly more lively and instant feeling throttle response between Sport and Race mode. I set the engine mode in Sport to match Race but left the other settings default [as Evolution mentioned above]. That way the bike's throttle response feels the same in Sport but I have the aids (hopefully) as a safety net on the roads if my Survival Reactions get the better of me.

 

[Evolution]

Kinda resurrecting an old topic here but what is the difference between race and sport in terms of power output? Is it just throttle response or is there different mapping / timing / etc that I don't really know about in use? The manual is a bit vague.

I'm still breaking mine in so I'm keeping the revs down but when I'm able to really open the thing up I don't want any insane surprises. I test rode it in race mode with all the aids at 1 (seemed about right) and thoroughly enjoyed it - no slipper clutch on this thing though so I'm still a bit worried about heavy downshifts. Would turning the engine braking totally off help with that? I don't feel I really need it on the street.

The throttle response can be set to low medium or high. In sport and race mode there is no difference in power output, but the stock setting is for medium throttle response in sport and high throttle response in race. I currently have mine set to high for race and sport as I enjoy the snappy response. No change in power though. As for engine braking, I'd be careful about turning it off. Some engine breaking when setting up for corners or slowing down a bit is nice (for me anyway). Play around with it and see what you like. I enjoy a bit of engine braking/ throttle blip downshifting to help set up for a corner. As for heavy downshifts, I can't really make this bike get too loose on the street. The way I downshift this thing would have the rear of my old CBR hopping and skipping all over the place, but the Duc is amazingly stable. I'll be at Road Atlanta with it on the 24th of this month, so we'll see how it does there. Some lengthy straights and hard braking zones will put it to the test.

 

[monty1001972]

I was relieved that I was in sport mode when I accelerated from a side road onto a main road here in HK in front of a load of tourists and hit a slippery patch. The TC killed the power and stopped the back end from sliding out. Without, I would have ended up looking like a complete prat and crying with a damaged bike!
I ride in sport all the time currently and this has saved me a couple of times trying to beat the lights and having to slam the anchors on........I love ABS!
I hate riding in the rain so not tried wet mode. There are sooooo many manhole covers here (every 20 metres) and also some road sections are joined by 2 metal strips of about 3 inches each with a 3 inch gap between across the road......when wet I can even feel my car slide on them as they can be on corners. This can be as much as a 10-12 inch slide.
The highways department certainly did not take two wheeled vehicles into consideration.

I find it just too dangerous to ride here in the wet. I have been on the receiving end of a highside and with the resulting dislocated collar bone and 2 broken ribs, I got away lightly!

 

[jarelj]

If you set the EBC to "OFF" that doesn't mean it shuts off engine braking, it means that it shuts off the engine brake CONTROL (which reduces engine braking). It's very confusing, I wish they would have came up with a different name for it. They should have called it "Corner Entry Speed Enhancer"! You will always have engine braking no matter what level you set the EBC to, it's just a matter of how much engine braking. With the EBC set to "OFF" you have no override control on the engine braking, which means you have all of the natural engine braking that is inherent with this engine, which is quite a bit of engine braking. Level 1 reduces this a little bit. Level 2 reduces it a little more. And Level 3 reduces it to the lowest level the system is capable of, but there's still engine braking present. It's most noticeable at higher RPM's, if you're putting around at 3000 rpm you will likely not notice any difference betweent the 4 different settings. At 9000 rpm on the track it's definitely noticeable.

 

[ReD.RibboN]

In race mode, essentially, you have more power at the hight range...in my opinion...

 

[Snaith]

I am not pushing the limits at the track yet and still in Sport mode. I have upped engine mode to high. Much more punchy and find mysel at full throttle quicker. Get the high engine response with sport safety measures.

 

[jhollis]

I was on race mode with reduced EBC for a while but recently went back to sport with the throttle setting in high and reduced EBC. So in theory it has full power but more 'aids'. I would say that race does feel more aggressive on the throttle, particularly when you get over 10,000 rpm but for town/city the low down response is smoother in sport even when set to high throttle power.

 

[supersport]

I was on race mode with reduced EBC for a while but recently went back to sport with the throttle setting in high and reduced EBC. So in theory it has full power but more 'aids'. I would say that race does feel more aggressive on the throttle, particularly when you get over 10,000 rpm but for town/city the low down response is smoother in sport even when set to high throttle power.

Low = "wet" power
Medium = "sport" power
High = "race" power

The setting is basally that with the manufacture's pre programmed settings for the riding aids.

If you set the engine power to high in "sport" mode it is essential "race" mode with the "sport's" set up on the aids.

Sport mode itself does not have 3 different modes. That would make the bike have 9 modes (3 for each setting). If it did i pretty sure ducat would have advertise that advantage.