Yeah, that's a bunch more clear and I agree.
I'll take the giant flying high side all day long over coming together with another bike and ending up in a tumble fest.
I've been fortunate - I've had a few "bumps" with other racers over the years, but have been lucky for that to never result in either of us falling down.
I had a pretty fast low side at Pikes Peak last year on the second lap and I was in a grip of traffic. I was really glad when I didn't collect anyone else.
glad to hear you're well enough to post here about it. Heal quickly
While you never can control other people, I'd argue taking it to the track is way safer...by miles...yeah, i'm sorry to hear that man.
This is why i'm so hesitant to get on the track anymore. Seen quite a few crashes and near misses... and just like the street, you can't control what other ppl do...
I think this depends greatly on how you view the metric.While you never can control other people, I'd argue taking it to the track is way safer...by miles...
I ran track days in Colorado for about 5 years and would go for many events in a row without people crashing. Some of this was luck, some of this was good set-up, a lot of it was the availability of free coaching / instruction and a pretty good number of control riders / instructors that were authorized to pull people in and help them get their programs sorted out. In the course of my years doing it we only had one really serious accident, and it was fully the result of a good rider going out on an unknown bike and trying to go fast immediately. I can tell that story another time.To everyone's point, accidents are going to happen, but one advantage of track over street is that crashes are expected to happen and the tracks are designed to minimize rider/driver injury. Also those at the track have a much higher awareness of what can happen, and typically have higher-than-average skill. It's been my experience that there are always a few a$$hats who ride above their ability, but most of the time they manage to only take themselves out.
I will argue no matter the metric you are using, track will always come out on top of street. Falling down at the track is kind of a given at some point since you are somewhat pushing the limits...but at the same time...if you are using the street as a track your risk is already higher out of the box as you deal with external factors such as gravel, oil, dirt, wildlife, cars etc.I think this depends greatly on how you view the metric.
Raw number of accidents, number of accidents as a percentage of users, number if "injuries", number of fatalities, number of single vehicle accidents, number of multi vehicle accidents...
each of these metrics will produce a very different picture of the safety of the track versus the street.
Hence why I don't ride too fast in the street...if you are using the street as a track your risk is already higher out of the box as you deal with external factors such as gravel, oil, dirt, wildlife, cars etc.
When I ride with my friends, we're usually out in Pennsyltucky. Who knows how long it would take for a helicopter or Ambulance to arrive...Response time of Primary Care is one of the most critical elements in assuring the most positive outcome in trauma situations, and as such I view the racetrack as a superior environment.
Do any tracks operate without an EMT/ambulance on scene? I think for liability, they all have to have an EMT on premise? Sucks, cuz if someone goes down and is hurt bad enough that they have to be transported to a hospital, riding for the day has to stop until the ambulance gets back.I don't think I'd ride on a track without an EMT on standby.
Street tires like the RC2's are fine for track provided you don't over-ride their capability and that you are setting correct pressures for track use. My first 2 track days were done on RC2s and they were fine—I lowered their pressure (forget what the #s were). I've come close to low- and high-siding on slicks due to incorrect pressures resulting in the inability to maintain operating temps and improper suspension settings as well as bad body position.Speaking of which, I think the reason most of the time someone goes down on a track is because they're pushing it to hard on the track on "street" tires that get greasy and don't grip at temp like track tires do.
Street tires like the RC2's are fine for track provided you don't over-ride their capability and that you are setting correct pressures for track use. My first 2 track days were done on RC2s and they were fine—I lowered their pressure (forget what the #s were). I've come close to low- and high-siding on slicks due to incorrect pressures resulting in the inability to maintain operating temps and improper suspension settings as well as bad body position.
There's number of common reasons that a rider may go down. A few that I'm familiar with are:
- Tight grip on bars when decelerating, accelerating, entering a turn, exiting a turn, citing bumpy stuff (happened to my buddy our last track day)
- Accelerating/decelerating while in transition from one lean angle to other (this can result in a high side)
- Accelerating too hard while leaned over on exit of a turn (low side)
- Abrupt change in speed while in turn (potential low side)
- Target fixation (in a turn will cause a ride to go wide and off track)
Be interested to se other common causes here.