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Here's an example of what you can do with the DDA+/GPS lap timer kit if you do track days. It records each lap along with all of the various data channels from the bike (Speed, RPM, Temp, Throttle, Gear, DTC intervention) plus the GPS data from the lap. That information is downloaded via the DDA module to your computer using a USB port, and then you use the DDA Graphic Analyzer software to review and compare the data. It allows you to view a single lap, several laps in succession, or (what I find the most valuable) overlay two laps on top of each other and compare them directly. It draws a GPS track map of the track automatically so you can see any particular spot on the track and review the data. So for example, you can select a particular corner and see what your actual corner speed is. When you have overlaid two laps to compare you can actually "race" the two laps against each other and see where you picked up time in one lap vs. another. It's very valuable in assessing your consistency in your lines, throttle position, braking points, shifting, etc.

The first image is showing two laps overlaid to compare to each other, the second image shows the data point analysis in one lap at a particular spot on the GPS map.
 

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This is going to be fun. It's not to expensive. About $700 installed.
 

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Since i am not rossi or stoner it has not much meaning to me. Was able to get hold of an original gps sensor for the automatic lapping....... enough for me.
 

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Jarel:
Do you need to add other components to see rpm and gear changes or just the DDA/GPS? From what I read, it seems lime the equipment necessary to see rpm and gear change is is extra and quite pricey. How tough to install?
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Jarel:
Do you need to add other components to see rpm and gear changes or just the DDA/GPS? From what I read, it seems lime the equipment necessary to see rpm and gear change is is extra and quite pricey. How tough to install?
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No, there is no other equipment, it all comes in the DDA+/GPS kit. All of the data from the bike is already tracked in the ECU and that data is passed through the CAN line to the DDA unit. It comes with a new front dash cover piece (the plastic piece right under the windscreen) that has a hole pre-cut in it for the GPS sensor to be mounted in. There is a plug on the wiring harness in the nose of the bike that the GPS sensor plugs right into. So effectively you need to remove the upper fairing/windscreen from the bike to do the install, and a couple of the plastic inner cover pieces that are in the nose area. That's it for the install. The actual DDA recording unit just plugs into the plug under the rear seat, so there's no changes required to the bike for that. You can see a picture of what comes in the kit on our web site here:
http://www.motospecialties.com/stor...s&category=Data Acquisition&ItemNum=96676510C
 

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The Superstock Data Acquisition Kit is for racing telemetry data, it has potentiometers for measuring front and rear suspension travel as well as front and rear brake pressure. It gets used in addition to the DDA+/GPS kit, it's an add-on for professional racing teams. If I remember it was about $4k for that system.
 

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GPS comes handy... no bleeping on the finishline but automatic lap timing. DDAplus is cool, but more a gadget for guys like me who do just some what trackdays in a year...
 

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Can you "insert" a map of the track in "real time" in your videos with the PC Software?

I've a Starlane GPS-3X, and I can do it... but I like that the DDA is completely integrated with the bike, with no connectors or cables.
 

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Can you "insert" a map of the track in "real time" in your videos with the PC Software?

I've a Starlane GPS-3X, and I can do it... but I like that the DDA is completely integrated with the bike, with no connectors or cables.
I haven't found a way to integrate the DDA data into video yet, but I'm actively working on that. The data format of the files stored is a little wonky, it's different from the data files we get out of the MTA Digitek systems we use on the race bikes. If I get it figured out I'll post up and let everyone know!
 

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I haven't found a way to integrate the DDA data into video yet, but I'm actively working on that. The data format of the files stored is a little wonky, it's different from the data files we get out of the MTA Digitek systems we use on the race bikes. If I get it figured out I'll post up and let everyone know!
Really tempted with this kit. Off to Portimao in May and thinking it might help me improve my pretty slow times.
Am I right in thinking there are 2 components? One the GPS under the dash and one under the seat to hook up to a laptop? Can the system be read by an iPad?
 

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Really tempted with this kit. Off to Portimao in May and thinking it might help me improve my pretty slow times.
Am I right in thinking there are 2 components? One the GPS under the dash and one under the seat to hook up to a laptop? Can the system be read by an iPad?
Yes, the GPS receiver gets mounted behind the dash under the windscreen and plugged into a plug that is already on the wiring harness up there. The DDA recorder unit gets plugged into the data port under the seat. The software is PC or MAC, there is not an iPad/iPhone version of it right now.

Also, looks like we're going to have another option for those looking for the sort of "ultimate" solution. This will be a completely separate unit with GPS lap timer and data recorder with optional integrated video capabilties. It will plug into the data port under seat as well, but has its own integrated GPS lap timer in it so doesn't require the permanent mounting under the dash. It will come with a bracket to mount the lap timer to the top triple clamp so you can see it while riding. It will have its own, more sophisticated analysis software, similar to the DDA software but with more capabilities. It will have the option to integrate full HD video with overlaid track GPS data as well as fully customizable views of bike data on the video screen. So for example you can have your video showing the view out the front of the bike, and at the top corner will be a GPS track map with a dot showing the position of the bike moving around the track, and elsewhere on the screen it can have any of the bike data displayed such as RPM, Speed, Throttle, Brake, etc. Sort of like what you see watching a MotoGP race, should be pretty cool! With a different data cable, the system can be moved to any other vehicle, another bike or even to a car. I'm getting one so I can use it for making on-track instructional videos at our track days on the bike and then move it to my car for when I go out to the track in that also. Don't have pricing on the full setup yet, still working on putting the packages together with the Panigale-specific mounting brackets and data cables. I'll post up when I know more about that.

This is the idea, only on a bike:
 

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I hired Chris Peris (former AMA champ) for a private track session and we used a data logging device that he developed. shows your line, braking zones, acceleration, mph, etc. does not show rpm. He sells the system and it is quite reasonable but requires a monthly subscription. about the size of a quarter and you simply velcro it to your bike, then plug it into your computer or ipad to see the results. good thing is that you can easily move it around to any bike or car since it is not hardwired to anything. Here is a link to his website. check the upper left corner for a small view. Motorcycle Riding School, The Fast Line, Chris Peris,
 

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If you don't want it hooked into the bike to get data channels from that (Throttle, RPM, DTC, etc.), you can also get simple GPS data logger apps that will run on your smart phone. Pirelli has a free one called "Diablo Super Biker" that gives you g-force data and lean angles. There's also one called "TrackAddictHD" that will run on an iPhone and record video with GPS track data, it's cheap also, I downloaded it and played around with it a little last summer in my car.
 

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yes i also have 2 iphone apps - Harry's Laptimer and Track Day. neither is free but they are not expensive. The Iphone apps are better than nothing but nowhere near the data quality or usefulness of the Chris Peris unit.
 

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Yes, the GPS receiver gets mounted behind the dash under the windscreen and plugged into a plug that is already on the wiring harness up there. The DDA recorder unit gets plugged into the data port under the seat. The software is PC or MAC, there is not an iPad/iPhone version of it right now.

Also, looks like we're going to have another option for those looking for the sort of "ultimate" solution. This will be a completely separate unit with GPS lap timer and data recorder with optional integrated video capabilties. It will plug into the data port under seat as well, but has its own integrated GPS lap timer in it so doesn't require the permanent mounting under the dash. It will come with a bracket to mount the lap timer to the top triple clamp so you can see it while riding. It will have its own, more sophisticated analysis software, similar to the DDA software but with more capabilities. It will have the option to integrate full HD video with overlaid track GPS data as well as fully customizable views of bike data on the video screen. So for example you can have your video showing the view out the front of the bike, and at the top corner will be a GPS track map with a dot showing the position of the bike moving around the track, and elsewhere on the screen it can have any of the bike data displayed such as RPM, Speed, Throttle, Brake, etc. Sort of like what you see watching a MotoGP race, should be pretty cool! With a different data cable, the system can be moved to any other vehicle, another bike or even to a car. I'm getting one so I can use it for making on-track instructional videos at our track days on the bike and then move it to my car for when I go out to the track in that also. Don't have pricing on the full setup yet, still working on putting the packages together with the Panigale-specific mounting brackets and data cables. I'll post up when I know more about that.

This is the idea, only on a bike:
You got a ball park figure in mind.
 

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You got a ball park figure in mind.
I'm thinking the full GPS lap timer/data logger kit, software, Panigale-specific cables and mounting bracket might be $700-$800 and with the full video camera setup maybe $1200-$1400 total. Like I said, it will be the "ultimate" type of product, so not going to be cheap! ;)
 
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